Is AngelEyes the best for tearstaining

[Ehunney]

Is Angeleyes the best product for tearstaining? Also, how long does it usually take to see results? Any other tips are suggestions would be great. Thanks a bunch in advance you guys:wink5:

[mia's mom]

Is Angeleyes the best product for tearstaining? Also, how long does it usually take to see results? Any other tips are suggestions would be great. Thanks a bunch in advance you guys:wink5:

I gave mine Angels' Glow and it worked for Mia & Cody......make sure they stoped theething first.

[MalteseJane]

Don't use anything with antibiotic for tear staining before they are adult and have all the adult teeths. If you do, there is a good chance that the new teeth will be stained. Also the tear staining might go away when they finish teething.

[Ehunney]

Don't use anything with antibiotic for tear staining before they are adult and have all the adult teeths. If you do, there is a good chance that the new teeth will be stained. Also the tear staining might go away when they finish teething.

Thanks so much for the great advice! Is there any other products that work well? :)

[KMitchell]

I just bought some Angel Eyes. I am waiting for it to arrive to see some amazing results (from what I have heard!!) I will keep you posted on my experience with it!

[Morkie4]

I also use the Tylan which is also an antibiotic that is much cheaper and is also just as effective. Again as mentioned by others, wait until the baby teeth are all gone so that they adult teeth will come in healthy. You risk permanent damage to the secondary teeth if the angels glow/eyes/Tylan is used too soon and before they are done teething.

[Ehunney]

I just bought some Angel Eyes. I am waiting for it to arrive to see some amazing results (from what I have heard!!) I will keep you posted on my experience with it!

Awesome! Thanks so much!

[Ehunney]

I also use the Tylan which is also an antibiotic that is much cheaper and is also just as effective. Again as mentioned by others, wait until the baby teeth are all gone so that they adult teeth will come in healthy. You risk permanent damage to the secondary teeth if the angels glow/eyes/Tylan is used too soon and before they are done teething.

Thanks! Great advice. When he's old enough I'll also try the Tylan

[I Found Nemo]

Thanks! Great advice. When he's old enough I'll also try the Tylan

Yes please wait, Im sure when ur baby is done teething the stains will go away.. he is a little doll by the way:hearter:
ANDREA

[flgurl69]

I use this and it really works! Just follow the directions on the bottle. The first thing I noticed was my Chloe stopped having brown tearing and no more eye boogers. The hair that was already stained remained stained until she was groomed. I only have to give it to her about twice a week now to keep the stains away. I even have pics if you want to see. You can also see pics on the Angel Eyes web site.

[victoria]

When I got enzo he had bad tear stains but I just washed his face daily. Now you can only see them when he's wet and his new hair is growing out white :)

[jdy]

i tried it, it worked
once i stopped using it, it came back

but hope it works out for you
i know a lot of people who used it and had great results

[jazzysmom]

Has anyone tried Purifeye? I only recently heard about it and would love to hear first hand reports. They advertise all natural ingr.

I have always used Angels Eyes and was happy with it.

[Morkie4]

Has anyone tried Purifeye? I only recently heard about it and would love to hear first hand reports. They advertise all natural ingr.

I have always used Angels Eyes and was happy with it.

Sorry I've not heard of it. I only had to use the tylan for about six weeks and now no staining and haven't had to use it again. I also used less than the suggested amount. But if you use this product do post something for future reference (for us oldbies or newbies).

[jazzysmom]

But if you use this product do post something for future reference (for us oldbies or newbies).[/QUOTE]

I sure will I just checked and it should be here today.

[I<3 my morkie]

what is the angel eyes website - I am thinking about trying it for teddy. I put in what I thought the site would be and you don't even want to know what came up! :mad:

[jazzysmom]

Here is the online site www.angelseyesonline.com I have also found it on Botanical Dog and usually they have a discount so I have found it cheaper from them I think the code is 510 and they give free shipping.

[Morkie4]

This is the web site for angelseyes:

http://www.angelseyesonline.com/details.htm

[I<3 my morkie]

Thanks Ladies!!

[jazzysmom]

My Purifeye came in the mail today I will start it in the morning and keep you posted.

Here are the ingredients
Alfalfa powder
Garlic powder
Spiruline (blue-green algae) I called the vet on this he ok'd it
Kelp powder
Hops
Papaya leaf
Nettles Leaf
Hawthorn berry powder

[victoria]

Isn't garlic bad for dogs? Or is it just enough in there for the flavor?

[jazzysmom]

Isn't garlic bad for dogs? Or is it just enough in there for the flavor?

I have heard that before but I see it used in a lot of doggie treat recipes.

[MyTrixie143]

Let me know the results, I would rather have some with all natural ingredients that works than the Angel Eyes even though I love the AE.

[Malteseluv]

Garlic should be fine in small amounts

[edwardsupandy]

Hi everyone, Please check this site out:

http://spalavishyourpet.thoughtprocessinteractive.com/www/testimonials.php

[KMitchell]

I ordered some today and it should be here this week if not next week! I have heard some great things about it! I think Maggie has used it?!

[omega]

Hi everyone, Please check this site out:

http://spalavishyourpet.thoughtprocessinteractive.com/www/testimonials.php

It seems you can't order from this site????

[mia's mom]

I ordered the spa shampoo, conditioner and facial wash.....it smells good!!! The face wash though is cumbersome because they get all wet if I was their face alone. Also that malt on the page is from a member on another forum and she is very happy with it.

[bbry]

I have used the facial wash too and it does help. :)

[omega]

I ordered the spa shampoo, conditioner and facial wash.....it smells good!!! The face wash though is cumbersome because they get all wet if I was their face alone. Also that malt on the page is from a member on another forum and she is very happy with it.

Where did you order from??? :confused:

[bbry]

I ordered mine on ebay. Seems like it was $8.99 plus shipping. If you can't find it by searching on ebay, I can find it on my past orders.

[omega]

I ordered mine on ebay. Seems like it was $8.99 plus shipping. If you can't find it by searching on ebay, I can find it on my past orders.

Thank you.:)

[edwardsupandy]

It seems you can't order from this site????

Be honest, I personally have not used this product but I see another members from other maltese forum use this product. They are all happy. You can send them email throught the site and they will tell you where you can buy the product. Since I live in Brussels, the shipping cost is more expensive than the product itself. I will wait when I am in Florida. Please let me know how you like this product

[I Found Nemo]

I think Tylan is better but I wouldn't use it till the teething is done..
ANDREA

[Morkie4]

Be honest, I personally have not used this product but I see another members from other maltese forum use this product. They are all happy. You can send them email throught the site and they will tell you where you can buy the product. Since I live in Brussels, the shipping cost is more expensive than the product itself. I will wait when I am in Florida. Please let me know how you like this product

Actually I used angels eyes and switched to Tylan 40............it is an antibiotic along the same line as the angels eyes but less expensive. I used it on my yorkie(wet hair around the eyes) and my maltese(tear staining). Only used it for six weeks and saw improvement in both of them.

[mia's mom]

Where did you order from??? :confused:

I ordered it from Pet Discounters Teri.

[omega]

My Purifeye came in the mail today I will start it in the morning and keep you posted.

Here are the ingredients
Alfalfa powder
Garlic powder
Spiruline (blue-green algae) I called the vet on this he ok'd it
Kelp powder
Hops
Papaya leaf
Nettles Leaf
Hawthorn berry powder

I started Jolie on this a couple of days ago. We'll see. It says it can take 5-7 weeks to see results.

[omega]

I ordered the spa shampoo, conditioner and facial wash.....it smells good!!! The face wash though is cumbersome because they get all wet if I was their face alone. Also that malt on the page is from a member on another forum and she is very happy with it.

I used the facial wash on Jolie today before her bath. I rubbed it in and let it sit while I washed her body, then I wiped around her face and then rinsed. When she dried, she looked SO much better! The stains aren't all the way gone yet - it will take a few times using it - but I can certainly tell a difference! I'm very happy with it!

It's not bad using it at bath time. It's not something that you would need to use every day or anything.

It gets a thumbs up for me!

[edwardsupandy]

I used the facial wash on Jolie today before her bath. I rubbed it in and let it sit while I washed her body, then I wiped around her face and then rinsed. When she dried, she looked SO much better! The stains aren't all the way gone yet - it will take a few times using it - but I can certainly tell a difference! I'm very happy with it!

It's not bad using it at bath time. It's not something that you would need to use every day or anything.

It gets a thumbs up for me!

I'm so glad to hear that you are happy with the spa product. Please let us know the result in the future. How much do you pay for it?

[edwardsupandy]

I'm so glad to hear that you are happy with the spa product. Please let us know the result in the future. How much do you pay for it?

I'm so glad to hear that you are happy with the spa product. Please let us know the result in the future. How much do you pay for it?

[maltchimom]

what is the angel eyes website - I am thinking about trying it for teddy. I put in what I thought the site would be and you don't even want to know what came up! :mad:

I did this at work and was just glad my boss didn't see what came up!:o

[omega]

I'm so glad to hear that you are happy with the spa product. Please let us know the result in the future. How much do you pay for it?

It was only $8.99 and will last a long time.

[Ehunney]

I ordered mine on ebay. Seems like it was $8.99 plus shipping. If you can't find it by searching on ebay, I can find it on my past orders.

Could you PM me the link pretty please,haha!:p

[hungover]

hi all

The tylosin based products such as Angels Eyes do work very well but i understand owners concerns about using antibiotics on a long term basis.

I guess that those concerns are highlighted by the fact that angels eyes are very coy about mentioning the antibiotic in thier product.

just make sure that you keep it away from horses- it is fatal to them!!!

We used Angels eyes until it was banned in the UK and the rest of Europe.

a friend recommended another tear stain remover- Angels delight.

The great thing about Angels delight is that it is 100% natural like purifeye. Angels delight however was developed as a holistic "cure" for a wide range of conditions and they discovered that it stopped red tear and coat stains in dogs and cats.

i did find that angels delight took longer to start working than the angels eyes.

you can get more info from here

www.bichonhotel.co.uk/angels_delight

They also recommend using the BARF diet.

[Beck]

Actually I used angels eyes and switched to Tylan 40............it is an antibiotic along the same line as the angels eyes but less expensive. I used it on my yorkie(wet hair around the eyes) and my maltese(tear staining). Only used it for six weeks and saw improvement in both of them.


I ordered Angels Eyes and my Bella will not eat her food with it on there. Is there another way to give it to her? I feed her California Natural Lamb and Rice dry food, but, she will not eat it with it on there. Any suggestions?

Beck and Bella

[Morkie4]

I ordered Angels Eyes and my Bella will not eat her food with it on there. Is there another way to give it to her? I feed her California Natural Lamb and Rice dry food, but, she will not eat it with it on there. Any suggestions?

Beck and Bella

Will she eat yogurt??? Sometines giving it in a sweet food helps. If she eats cheese, cut several small pieces, put some of the Angels Eyes on one piece and put another piece of cheese on top and pinch the edges together to conceal the Angel Eyes. You might try putting a little canned food with it in it as well to get her to eat it. I hope some other members will come up with some ideas too!!!

[gypsyqueen]

In now trying Angels delight from the UK its 45 dollars plus 29 shipping we will see if that works

[hungover]

I ordered Angels Eyes and my Bella will not eat her food with it on there. Is there another way to give it to her? I feed her California Natural Lamb and Rice dry food, but, she will not eat it with it on there. Any suggestions?

Beck and Bella

the makers of AE suggest putting the Angels eyes in the drinking water until they get used to it. Tylosin is very bitter so Morkie4's suggestion to use something sweet makes sense. The downside though being that you dont want to increase your dogs sugar intake for too long.

[jazzysmom]

I have used several other things for the tear stain but AE is what works best for me and I really see the results when I look at their pictures.

I give my gang fresh peeled and cut up apple every morning and I sprinkle the AE on the apple and they gobble it up.

[Beck]

I have used several other things for the tear stain but AE is what works best for me and I really see the results when I look at their pictures.

I give my gang fresh peeled and cut up apple every morning and I sprinkle the AE on the apple and they gobble it up.


Thank you for the suggestion, Bella loves apples. How long before you see results?

[jazzysmom]

Thank you for the suggestion, Bella loves apples. How long before you see results?


When I used AE for the very first time I began to notice that the new hair growing out was much whiter after about 14 days. Good luck the apple is a great way to give the AE to them.

[Euphoric Eyes]

hi all

The tylosin based products such as Angels Eyes do work very well but i understand owners concerns about using antibiotics on a long term basis.

I guess that those concerns are highlighted by the fact that angels eyes are very coy about mentioning the antibiotic in thier product.

just make sure that you keep it away from horses- it is fatal to them!!!

We used Angels eyes until it was banned in the UK and the rest of Europe.

a friend recommended another tear stain remover- Angels delight.

The great thing about Angels delight is that it is 100% natural like purifeye. Angels delight however was developed as a holistic "cure" for a wide range of conditions and they discovered that it stopped red tear and coat stains in dogs and cats.

i did find that angels delight took longer to start working than the angels eyes.

you can get more info from here

www.bichonhotel.co.uk/angels_delight

They also recommend using the BARF diet.

I'm curious to know why Angel Eyes was banned in Europe :confused:

[edwardsupandy]

I'm curious to know why Angel Eyes was banned in Europe :confused:

No it's not banned in Europe. Please check this site

http://www.transgroom.be/productinfo.asp?artnr=568402&hg=20000&sg=20003&fc=568401

I can find it here in Belgium. I didn't use it coz Hanzo's tearstain problems were solved :)

[hungover]

Hi Euphoric Eyes

Although there are a couple of companies in Europe (as demonstrated by edwardsupandy) that will offer to sell angels eyes or angels glow it is quite illegal. I guess that the same is true of people who sell viagra, snuff movies, etc..

Before the ban it was everywhere, loads of online stores, high street pet stores and ebay UK. Within days of the word getting out that DEFRA were raiding stores, the other thousands of bottle in the UK miraculously disappeared. :awink:

The legality is not based upon the safety of the product, it is because no where in the world has ever approved tylosin as a treatment for dogs because no one has ever applied for a marketing authority or approval. One would need comprehensive data to show that it is safe in the long term for both dogs and the environment. To date the longest study has been two years and focused solely on the dogs rather than the environment and bacterial resistance.

It was the inventors of Tylosin- Elanco who explained to me that they never applied for a license because the costs are prohibitively high compared to the market returns. Contrast this with the use of Tylosin (Tylan) as a livestock medication and the marketable quantities.

From what I can see Tylosin is a prescription only medicine everywhere- one that has never been approved for use in dogs anywhere.

Vets are legally permitted to prescribe tylosin if they can demonstrate that they have tried all other medications first, and that none of them has worked. In the UK this is called the cascading rule, in the US the Extra-Label rule. The majority of vets will not though because in the event of legal action they will have to demonstrate that the needs of the dog outweigh the risk of bacterial resistance. Most see tear staining as a cosmetic problem and sadly too many would rather perform operations on the tear ducts. If a vet were to prescribe tylosin it would not be in the form of AE or AG as they cannot tell how much the doses are

At one stage I toyed with the idea of becoming a recognised UK distributor of angels eyes but decided against it- I was also disappointed by the advice that I was given from the "horses mouth"- don't tell people about the antibiotic unless they ask. According to the bloke at Elanco failure to make customers aware of the antibiotic is a crime in itself. I am sooo glad that the band did not come in two months later I would have a lot of product that I could not shift.

Incidentally I did once email angels glow to ask them which 50 countries it is recognised in (says it on their website) but they declined to answer.

From what i can see neither AE or AG are legal, by definition, anywhere in the world, not even in the US or Canada. Theoretically it could be banned there too if the authorities decided that it is too widespread in its use.

I have seen posts that point out that things like ibuprofen were once prescription only and now they are freely available but this argument neglects to consider the fact that a lot of money was spent testing ibuprofen on its core market (humans), further that it has an obvious social benefit- the same can not be said of AE or AG. I can not see tylosin based products ever being legal for tear stain removal- thus the makers have never applied for the relevant licenses.

You could contact them to ask but I would expect that you would get a more honest answer from the FDA.

It's a shame- the margins were great!!!

Ps I will try to find out if it is legal in Belgium but I suspect not- especially given that the treatment of medications in the EU is pretty much harmonised.

[hungover]

Hi

Here is the proof

http://www.vmd.gov.uk/General/VMR/regs.htm#

the above covers EC (of which belgium is a member state) and Uk law with regard to pet medication

follow the link to

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2008/uksi_20082297_en_1

From that


"Definition of “veterinary medicinal product”, interpretation and scope

2.—(1) In these Regulations “veterinary medicinal product” means—

(a)
any substance or combination of substances presented as having properties for treating or preventing disease in animals; or

(b)
any substance or combination of substances that may be used in, or administered to, animals with a view either to restoring, correcting or modifying physiological functions by exerting a pharmacological, immunological or metabolic action, or to making a medical diagnosis.
"

The legality issue-

"PART 2
Authorised veterinary medicinal products
Placing a veterinary medicinal product on the market

4.—(1) It is an offence to place a veterinary medicinal product on the market unless that product has been granted a marketing authorisation by the Secretary of State or the Agency.
"


I recall that initially AE tried to say that the product does not change the dog's physiology (not true- it kills the bacteria) and that it is therefore not a medicine. This did not wash! They seem to have forgotten that the active ingredient is Tylosin- err.... a medicine.

[hungover]

hi

did try to post yesterday (twice) but got a message saying that they were awaiting moderation????

[hungover]

ok it is working now.........

i double checked the VMD website and from what i can see our laws are EC directives.

This means that transgroom are breaking the law, perhaps unwittingly.

[edwardsupandy]

ok it is working now.........

i double checked the VMD website and from what i can see our laws are EC directives.

This means that transgroom are breaking the law, perhaps unwittingly.

Hm I really don't know about the regulation. What I know so far that Angel Eyes is sold here in Belgium (based on their site).

Do you have the article? Do you know why it's banned in Europe?

[hungover]

Hi

The main reason it is banned in europe is that it was never legal in the first place.

Initially invented to fight respiratory diseases in poultry. The makers of tylosin (the active ingredient in AE) Elanco- part of Eli Lilly- applied for a licence to use tylosin (tylan- their brand name) in 1961 as a therapeutic medicine. The FDA in America granted a licence for use on livestock (cows, sheep, poultry, pigs). Elanco had to research the effect of tylosin on a wide range of animals, to see how it would affect other animals. It was from these trials that it was discovered that it cleared up dog stains and that dogs could tolerate very high levels with no negative side effects.

Later they applied for a licence to use it as a growth promoter in the above list of animals. The range of licenced animals has now been expanded to include bees.

Following concerns about cross bacterial resistance the EU banned the use of tylosin as a growth promoter in 1999. It is still legal for this use it in Canada and the USA.

The EU still allows tylosin to be administered for medicinal reasons but only when prescribed as a vet.

Applying for a licence is extremely expensive and during the process the powers that be weigh up the positives with the potential negatives. Elanco nor any other maker of tylosin has ever applied for a licence to use it on dogs or cats. The financial returns would be too low and the authorities are likely to decide that the benefit of no tear stains is far outweighed by the risk of cross resistance.

If approval were to be granted it would be a prescription only medicine.

Whilst it is not approved for animals other than live stock it is often used in dogs, cats, rats, reptiles and even snakes. There is a clause that allows vets to use non licenced products if the licenced products have all been tried first and have not worked. In the UK this is called the cascading rule.

Finding a vet that will prescribe tylosin for tear stains is very rare but possible. Most just see the stains as cosmetic and feel that in the event of a veterinary review panel they would not be able to justify its use.

Products like Angels eyes are extremely unlikely to be prescribed as they would not know how much of the tylosin is being administered.

In February DEFRA decided that the trade of these tylosin based products was unacceptably high and decided to act. They started to raid shops and confiscate stock- there were no prosecutions as they felt that the matter had been dealt with. They could have conducted the raids at any point in the past given that none of the products has a marketing authority.

I had posted web links yesterday which show this but it seems that they are still awaiting moderation.

If you want you can go to vmd.gov.uk and follow links there, eg general info/enforcement.

So in conclusion, the legality of Angels eyes is down to the lack of a valid licence. It is not a comment of the safety of it in and of its self.

I for one think that tylosin is extremely effective at stopping bacteria but can see the wider environmental concerns.

hope this helps.

[gypsyqueen]

its not workingQUOTE=gypsyqueen;111668]In now trying Angels delight from the UK its 45 dollars plus 29 shipping we will see if that works[/QUOTE]