Show Prospect Search HELP

[AzMalteseMom]

Ok. I need advice and thought this morning I should post it on this forum!!! I purchased a show prospect. A male and I LOVE him dearly I went to a show this past weekend and the exhibitors were talking to another person about getting started. They ALL including the one that sold me mine, said "you want to start with a good female, that is the way to get started". Here I am standing with a boy!!!!! So, I thought HEY...I need a good female then. (I AM going to show my male). Now I want a female. But this time I need to be more savvy; what is a fair price/contract for a female? I was quoted $4K plus two puppies back! I know excellent pedigree will get top dollar, I was told Crisman's are $5K w/2 pups back.....I need help. I don't think I will buy from the breeder I got my boy from....I need someone to guide me along, not necessarily hold my hand. THANKS....

[Morkie4]

I'm not a breeder but I don't necessarily agree that you have to start with a female to show. Some males that finish as champions can bring in top dollars for stud service or be sold as breeding stock for other breeders. I would stick with the male you purchased first and test the waters as to showing and see if it is really something you can stick with (from what I hear, it is not an easy task doing the show thing). Then if it works out, you could stud him out and get a pup from the litter or even use the stud money to purchase your girl and go from there. :)

[BellaRose]

It would seem to me that your breeder for your male and the other exhibitors you were talking to would be the best place to start and someone to help guide you. I don't see what the problem with showing a male would be.... I know several breeders/exhibitors that started with males.

[AzMalteseMom]

I don't have a problem starting out with a male; I just saw red flags going up during the conversation. I have finished another breed before; so I do enjoy showing and as long as this guy is finishable, I will finish him. I want my next one lined up, so that I can have her prepared for the ring as soon as he is done. This is a new group of people for me. It is interesting. I want to be as educated as possible so that I can make an informed decision.

[AzMalteseMom]

It would seem to me that your breeder for your male and the other exhibitors you were talking to would be the best place to start and someone to help guide you. I don't see what the problem with showing a male would be.... I know several breeders/exhibitors that started with males.

Perhaps you can refer one of them to me? and I could pick their brain :-)

[BellaRose]

Perhaps you can refer one of them to me? and I could pick their brain :-)

Sure... Stacy would be a good one to start with. I think she is a member here or at least use to be. Super nice lady and always willing to help. Here is her website: http://www.bellaratamaltese.com/

[AzMalteseMom]

Sure... Stacy would be a good one to start with. I think she is a member here or at least use to be. Super nice lady and always willing to help. Here is her website: http://www.bellaratamaltese.com/

THANKS. I went right to her site; but the contact form for emailing her didn't work. Think I should call????:blush:

[BellaRose]

THANKS. I went right to her site; but the contact form for emailing her didn't work. Think I should call????:blush:

Here is her e-mail: Bellaratamaltese@yahoo.com

[Morkie4]

Sure... Stacy would be a good one to start with. I think she is a member here or at least use to be. Super nice lady and always willing to help. Here is her website: http://www.bellaratamaltese.com/

I second that! She is really super nice and always helpful.

[AzMalteseMom]

Ok, I emailed her.....will wait to hear back. So excited. Of course...she has a little girl posted...but she may not be a good match. Just makes me go ahhhhhhhhh...so adorable those little white fluff balls.:hearter:

[bellaratamalt]

Wow, it's been a while! sorry you guys for not being around!!!

Theresa, I emailed you back!

Personally, it does make more sense to start with a female. I definitely know about getting your next show prospect lined up though! I am showing a boy from my first litter and he has seven points so far and I have his half sister waiting in the wings for me to start (she's 5 mos old)

I dont' know how much help I'll be since I'm new also but looking foward to talking to you!!

[Morkie4]

Wow, it's been a while! sorry you guys for not being around!!!

Theresa, I emailed you back!

Personally, it does make more sense to start with a female. I definitely know about getting your next show prospect lined up though! I am showing a boy from my first litter and he has seven points so far and I have his half sister waiting in the wings for me to start (she's 5 mos old)

I dont' know how much help I'll be since I'm new also but looking foward to talking to you!!

Hi Stacy and 15710

Just wondering why it makes more sense to start with a female??? Just curious but trust your judgement totally. Congrats on your boy.......YAY!!!!! You are doing great in the ring!!!!

[zeek's mom]

Hi I am going to do a copy/paste of the contract that one of my mentors gave me to go by. I hope it helps!!

***Read this contract completely before signing!***

Buyer:_____________________________

Buyer’s Address:___________________________

City, State and Zip:___________________________

b)Buyer’s Contact number: ___________________

Buyer’s E-mail address:______________________

Date of Sale:_________________

Purchase price of *Dog $ Non Refundable DEPOSIT $________
Bal. Due$_______
*Plus a pick of the litter female puppy back at 12 weeks of age at no expense to the seller. This applies only to female show dogs sold by seller.

Breed of Dog: _Maltese Color: White with Black Points

Reg. name of dog:________________________________Sex: ________

Date of Birth:_________________________Place of Birth:_______________

Breeder's name and address:
Litter reg. number: __________________AKC. reg. Number___________

Sire: _________________________________AKC. reg. Number___________

Dam:_________________________________AKC. reg. Number___________

AKC. reg. (certificate or application form) given? Yes_____No_____
Reason (if withheld)_________________________________________ ________________________

Date Dog was picked up or shipped to buyer:______________________

*BALANCE is DUE before the dog is picked up or shipped to the buyer. Deposits and balance is to be paid by money orders or cash only!

*DEPOSITS ARE NON-REFUDABLE!!!!!

Show Dog Guarantee

The "Show Dog" is an adult dog or a pup that goes beyond the definition of a pet dog. This animal must be pure bred, registered with the AKC. and be free of all disqualifying faults for its particular breed at the time of sale. This dog is not guaranteed to win in the show ring, unless this is agreed in this contract at time of execution. It is understood with proper care on the part of the buyer, in due time the dog should be of acceptable temperament and structure, and should embody the standards of the breed. This is not to say there are no faults. There is no perfect dog.

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To be continued!

[zeek's mom]

1. Dog is purebred. Pedigree is correctly given at time of sale. Dog is registerable on an AKC. unlimited registration.

2. Said dog is being sold as show quality. Dog is to be shown to an AKC. Championship before being bred. If the dog is bred before completing his/her Championship buyer will pay seller 10x’s the asking price for each puppy born.

3. Dog is 100% Guaranteed.

4. At the option and expense of the buyer a 48 hour guarantee through an examination by a licensed veterinarian of buyers choice is to be recommended. Upon exam completion if the vet finds a hereditary or crippling disease Seller has the option to: either REFUND 100% minus any transportation or vet cost to buyer, provided the dog is returned to the seller, or REPLACED at sellers option. Also breeder/sellers vet must agree with diagnosis.

5. To be free of hereditary crippling defects visible by 2 years of age. Replaced when first available puppy of the same sex show quality is available. Verified by buyer and seller's veterinarians at no expense to the seller. Replacement puppy has no guarantees.

6. No other written guarantees or warrantees, expressed or implied, are made under this contract except as stated as follows, initialed and dated by bothparties:______________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________________________

7. At any time after 48 hours of the dogs life Seller gets first right to refusal before dog is to be given or sold to another party. At no expense to the seller for vet bills, transportation cost etc. Further, Owner will duly execute the appropriate AKC. registration Certificate restoring Breeder's Full and Sole Ownership status on the dog/bitch and send the Certificate to the Breeder. *SAID DOG WILL ONLY BE REPLACED IF WITH IN THE 2 YEAR GUARENTEE!

8. Any litigation in a Court of Law will reside in the State of Florida and in the City of Escambia County.

9. Buyer agrees to take care of said dog. Said dog will have proper veterinary care, kept clean and in a clean environment and will have proper socialization.

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To Be Continued!!

[zeek's mom]

10. Owner is expressly prohibited from selling or breeding this said male/female Maltese until such time as an AKC. Confirmation Championship Title Certificate is earned by the dog and RECIEVED by Owner from the AKC and a copy sent to the seller/breeder.

11.Owner is expressly prohibited from selling, leasing, or co-owning any puppies produced by this said male/female Maltese dog. All "GET" produced by this said male/female Maltese, not SOLEY owned by the owner or owners are to be sold directly as pets on a spay/neuter contract and marked limited on AKC. registrations. If buyer does not abide by this written statement the
buyer will be charged 10X's the dogs purchased price for each puppy. The only exception would be written permission from the Breeder/Seller on any breeding show/stock being considered sold.

12. Breeder gets full stud rights inside her own kennel if a male show dog is being purchased. This will be at no expense to the breeder except shipping cost. Breeder gets first pick female show prospect puppy at 12 weeks old from show female sold. Breeder will only pick the stud of her choosing on first litter born. At no expense to the breeder. The only cost to the breeder/seller is transportation expenses to have puppy delivered to her home. If by the second litter the said female has no female pups the breeder seller may choose to take either a male puppy pick of the litter or cash payment equal to the selling price of said dog.

13. Said Contract is made in good faith to protect the buyer and the seller.


14. Dog is sold with full registration and co-owned by breeder/seller until finished or agreed upon by buyer and seller that the dog cannot gain it's Championship; ALSO until puppy back obligation is provided and fulfilled!


15. Said dog shall be registered as (Breeder's name)_____________________________

Signed:
Seller:______________________________Buyer:_______ _________________
Dated:______________________________Dated:________ _______________
Co-Owner:__________________________Dated:____________ _______________


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I hope this helps. :)

[BellaRose]

Wow, it's been a while! sorry you guys for not being around!!!

Theresa, I emailed you back!

Personally, it does make more sense to start with a female. I definitely know about getting your next show prospect lined up though! I am showing a boy from my first litter and he has seven points so far and I have his half sister waiting in the wings for me to start (she's 5 mos old)

I dont' know how much help I'll be since I'm new also but looking foward to talking to you!!

Hi Stacy!!! So good to see you over here!!! For some reason, I thought you started out with a little boy but now it's all coming back to me... Crazy Caira! LOL! Hope you and your family and furkids are doing well!

[mia's mom]

Well :clapsm: welcome back!!!

[bellaratamalt]

Hi Stacy and 15710

Just wondering why it makes more sense to start with a female??? Just curious but trust your judgement totally. Congrats on your boy.......YAY!!!!! You are doing great in the ring!!!!

Hi!
It makes more sense because you can get away with not having any males in your breeding program (because you can use outside studs) but you absolutely cannot have a breeding program without females. And by having a girl first, you can champion her, then breed her and get your next show dog. Hope I explained that ok!

[bellaratamalt]

Hi Stacy!!! So good to see you over here!!! For some reason, I thought you started out with a little boy but now it's all coming back to me... Crazy Caira! LOL! Hope you and your family and furkids are doing well!

LOL! I started with my girl caddy who was too shy in the ring and then got Caira. They are my two foundation girls and I wouldnt' have a breeding program without them!! If I had started with a boy... I wouldn't have my own dogs that I bred in the ring - or at least not for a while!!

[AzMalteseMom]

That contract is very helpful! So, on no #12 about stud rights. Does that mean seller has lifetime rights to use the dog for stud? or just until they get a puppy back? One female puppy back on a female show is easier to swallow than two. I mean, for a dog that is only going to have 2-3 puppies that would be hard. I would prefer to just pay for my female and not puppy back. It sounding very much like a pyramid scheme (J/K). If it is the way of the dog world; then I guess it is the way and once I am not a newbie it will work out. I don't plan to have a house with 15 dogs!

[AzMalteseMom]

LOL! I started with my girl caddy who was too shy in the ring and then got Caira. They are my two foundation girls and I wouldnt' have a breeding program without them!! If I had started with a boy... I wouldn't have my own dogs that I bred in the ring - or at least not for a while!!

I kind of want to cry. I hope I didn't get taken advantage of. Maybe it is like a college razing....to prove my worthiness. :D

[AzMalteseMom]

Sure... Stacy would be a good one to start with. I think she is a member here or at least use to be. Super nice lady and always willing to help. Here is her website: http://www.bellaratamaltese.com/

I want to personally thank you for referring me to Stacy.

[AzMalteseMom]

Hi I am going to do a copy/paste of the contract that one of my mentors gave me to go by. I hope it helps!!

***Read this contract completely before signing!***

Buyer:_____________________________

Buyer’s Address:___________________________

City, State and Zip:___________________________

b)Buyer’s Contact number: ___________________

Buyer’s E-mail address:______________________

Date of Sale:_________________

Purchase price of *Dog $ Non Refundable DEPOSIT
Bal. Due
*Plus a pick of the litter female puppy back at 12 weeks of age at no expense to the seller. This applies only to female show dogs sold by seller.

Breed of Dog: _Maltese Color: White with Black Points

Reg. name of dog:________________________________Sex: ________

Date of Birth:_________________________Place of Birth:_______________

Breeder's name and address:
Litter reg. number: __________________AKC. reg. Number___________

Sire: _________________________________AKC. reg. Number___________

Dam:_________________________________AKC. reg. Number___________

AKC. reg. (certificate or application form) given? Yes_____No_____
Reason (if withheld)_________________________________________ ________________________

Date Dog was picked up or shipped to buyer:______________________

*BALANCE is DUE before the dog is picked up or shipped to the buyer. Deposits and balance is to be paid by money orders or cash only!

*DEPOSITS ARE NON-REFUDABLE!!!!!

Show Dog Guarantee

The "Show Dog" is an adult dog or a pup that goes beyond the definition of a pet dog. This animal must be pure bred, registered with the AKC. and be free of all disqualifying faults for its particular breed at the time of sale. This dog is not guaranteed to win in the show ring, unless this is agreed in this contract at time of execution. It is understood with proper care on the part of the buyer, in due time the dog should be of acceptable temperament and structure, and should embody the standards of the breed. This is not to say there are no faults. There is no perfect dog.

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To be continued!


I want to thank you for this; it helps tremendously and gives me an idea of what a contract would have in it. I can't believe how much information I am getting in a short amount of time. I joined this forum on a whim; just when I thought I should get off my PC...I found that I had a real question to get help on!!!!!! and help I got!

[AzMalteseMom]

I did some checking and looks like I am right on track....between this forum, some emails, and making a few calls everything is going to be perfectly fine! My breeder is a good person and is out for my best interest and those of the dog she placed with me. This is an absolutel dream come true!!!!

[Morkie4]

Hi!
It makes more sense because you can get away with not having any males in your breeding program (because you can use outside studs) but you absolutely cannot have a breeding program without females. And by having a girl first, you can champion her, then breed her and get your next show dog. Hope I explained that ok!

You explained that perfectly and now I understand and it does make sense to start with a female. :) :) Thanks for explaining especially so "I" could understand it!

[AzMalteseMom]

Ok...I just had to share this somewhere. I ordered wraps/bands for my boy on monday to start wrapping his coat. I ordered good ole coordinating royal boy blue. I am thinking so positive that at the same time I also ordered girlie girl HOT PINK. I just received a notice that my shipment is being mailed; that is what made me think of sharing this. So, I have to get a girl....because I certainly cannot put hot pink on this guy!

[zeek's mom]

That contract is very helpful! So, on no #12 about stud rights. Does that mean seller has lifetime rights to use the dog for stud? or just until they get a puppy back? One female puppy back on a female show is easier to swallow than two. I mean, for a dog that is only going to have 2-3 puppies that would be hard. I would prefer to just pay for my female and not puppy back. It sounding very much like a pyramid scheme (J/K). If it is the way of the dog world; then I guess it is the way and once I am not a newbie it will work out. I don't plan to have a house with 15 dogs!

I am sorry for not answering this question before now. The reason I have not answered is because I really do not know. And the mentor that gave me the contract to go by is having a lot of family issues, (Her father only has 10% of his heart working) so I do not want to bother her with this. BUT I am going to contact one of my other friends/mentors and check with them. And will let you know what they say.

[Morkie4]

Ok...I just had to share this somewhere. I ordered wraps/bands for my boy on monday to start wrapping his coat. I ordered good ole coordinating royal boy blue. I am thinking so positive that at the same time I also ordered girlie girl HOT PINK. I just received a notice that my shipment is being mailed; that is what made me think of sharing this. So, I have to get a girl....because I certainly cannot put hot pink on this guy!

Oh most definitely can't wear pink wraps on a boy...........gotta get a girl now! I just "love" your reasoning!

[zeek's mom]

Oh most definitely can't wear pink wraps on a boy...........gotta get a girl now! I just "love" your reasoning!

Now Carol. Don't you remember how good my Zeek looked in pink. I buried him with his black t-shirt that was trimed in pink. He was such a manly dude that it suited him well. :tounge:

[AzMalteseMom]

I am sorry for not answering this question before now. The reason I have not answered is because I really do not know. And the mentor that gave me the contract to go by is having a lot of family issues, (Her father only has 10% of his heart working) so I do not want to bother her with this. BUT I am going to contact one of my other friends/mentors and check with them. And will let you know what they say.

Thanks. I would be pretty interested in that and if you don't mind asking about females and puppies back. Is it common practice to ask for one or two puppies back from a female? I can understand perhaps if you can't afford to pay her asking price; it could be a way of paying for her and I can understand show contract, but that puppy back with or without showing? Hmm? Thanks!

[Morkie4]

Now Carol. Don't you remember how good my Zeek looked in pink. I buried him with his black t-shirt that was trimed in pink. He was such a manly dude that it suited him well. :tounge:

.........trimmed in pink is the key! :p

[AzMalteseMom]

Got my new wraps today!!!! I had actually ordered two kinds of blue and two kinds of pink. I have baby blue and royal blue. Baby pink and hot pink. Oh...also got a new baby pink show lead. Gotta get that girl!!!!!

[Morkie4]

Got my new wraps today!!!! I had actually ordered two kinds of blue and two kinds of pink. I have baby blue and royal blue. Baby pink and hot pink. Oh...also got a new baby pink show lead. Gotta get that girl!!!!!

Yep you just gotta know.........don't want those pink things laying around collecting dust! :p

[bellaratamalt]

Yep you just gotta know.........don't want those pink things laying around collecting dust! :p

I have my boy in pink wraps - he looks fabulous :lol2:

[Morkie4]

I have my boy in pink wraps - he looks fabulous :lol2:

A picture would be nice!!!!:D:D