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bek74
05-16-2009, 03:57 PM
Yesterday I went to my local shops and there was a family with a box of 6wk old Maltese x Shih Tzu puppies :mad: . There were about 7 or 8 in this box and the people were walking up to people asking them if they wanted to buy one, they were selling them for $400 each :mad: .
The famiy were dressed in old dirty clothes and it looked like the kids hadn't brushed their hair in almost a month.
They walked up to me and my 3 sons and asked us if we wanted to buy a puppy, and said to me " these dogs have a wonderful temperment and are perfect for kids"
I said really " how will children cope when the puppy gets older and develops health issues and it has to put to sleep because idiots like you breed just to make a quick buck?"
She told me to "F off". I said " no worries" and walked away.
I know I know its not like me to walk away, but I had my 3 sons with me and I wasn't going to respond with swearing and carrying on (although I really wanted to, lol). As we walked away, my kids said " Mum I can't believe she is selling pups outside the shops, and she was so rude to you when you were right". I have educated my boys really well about pet shops and BYB (hobby breeders) and Puppy farms.

Anyway later that day my hubby was at an accident not far from our house (he is a tow truck driver) and we went down there to have a chat and to show the boys what speeding can do. While we were down there hubbies towing partner showed up and got out of his truck and he was carrying a little puppy. I said " oh she is cute, where did you get her?" He said " oh people were selling them outside the shops today " I went off, I said " I can't believe you would buy a puppy at all, let alone from them, make sure you take her to vets asap and have her checked out and wormed, this little girl is only 6wks old" :mad: , I looked into her mouth and she has hardly any teeth :mad:

He bought it because his girlfriend who works in the bakery down at the shops saw the pups and wanted one, but the girlfriend already has a Maltese x Pom at her mothers that she doesn't look after and this little girl will be living with hubby's tow truck mate. Both work fulltime so he plans on taking the pup out in the truck with him everyday. They know nothing about grooming, toilet training or anything and when they do eventually break up (can see that coming) he will be left with this little girl. As it was he had to go and do some other jobs yesterday and asked if I could watch her for a few hours, of course I did and I wormed her and bathed her and cleaned her up.

I so mad and for so many different reasons..... :mad:

zeek's mom
05-16-2009, 04:03 PM
You have every reason to be mad!! I read your story and had these wee one's I have now on my mind. How stupid people are. I am sorry, but I can't calm you down on this one. You are right. And it really angers me when people are so stupid. These puppies are so fragile. And can barely eat mush. More alone be sold!! :mad::mad:

bek74
05-16-2009, 04:20 PM
You have every reason to be mad!! I read your story and had these wee one's I have now on my mind. How stupid people are. I am sorry, but I can't calm you down on this one. You are right. And it really angers me when people are so stupid. These puppies are so fragile. And can barely eat mush. More alone be sold!! :mad::mad:

You know me well, you know the strength it took me to walk away. You know how I feel about people like these people.. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

JesBred
05-16-2009, 04:24 PM
Thats so awful :mad::mad:

I feel so bad for that puppy.. hopefully her new owner will take better care of her than the previous owner/"breeder", selling her at such a young age :(:( I wonder where the rest of those poor babies will end up?? :(

bek74
05-16-2009, 04:29 PM
Thats so awful :mad::mad:

I feel so bad for that puppy.. hopefully her new owner will take better care of her than the previous owner/"breeder", selling her at such a young age :(:( I wonder where the rest of those poor babies will end up?? :(

So do I :mad: I bet since they made a sale yesterday that they will be back out there today:mad:

Zanadu'sMom
05-16-2009, 04:37 PM
Oh Bek that is horrible :( Good thing I wasn't with ya :blush::blush:
People just amaze me " THEY JUST DONT GET IT"
You know I try to explain and they see the images of puppymills and how the moms are treated and they still think it's ok to buy from these people:(
Don't they UNDERSTAND if we stop buying it will end for these poor babies.
I don't know I just don 't get it, sometimes I think it's me :(

tmt90
05-16-2009, 06:31 PM
Where about was this Bek, in Aspley etc?

MalteseJane
05-16-2009, 07:12 PM
Why do I think that at the end you are going to end up caring for that little one ?

bek74
05-17-2009, 01:57 AM
Where about was this Bek, in Aspley etc?

Yeah mate, Chermside Market Place, 5min down the road from me. I am disgusted:mad:

bek74
05-17-2009, 01:59 AM
Why do I think that at the end you are going to end up caring for that little one ?

I really really hope not, but I know if the situation was put in front of me I would take her on and try to rehome her....

MaxJack'sMom
05-17-2009, 07:22 AM
Good for you Bek. I feel so bad for the many pups left and taken away from their mom at such an early age. This family better hope they never see you again without your kids along, 'cause I know they will get a talking to from you that would put hair on potato!!!!

tmt90
05-17-2009, 07:33 AM
Yeah mate, Chermside Market Place, 5min down the road from me. I am disgusted:mad:

Outside the shopping center itself? jeez...

julietimothy
05-17-2009, 07:52 AM
when I read this I can just think their is 2 sides to every story. Know one knows for sure that they planned that breeding or not. And with some vet prices they could not just give the puppies away. $400 is alot but there is people on this site that is selling puppy for $5000 to $15000 to me that is to much no matter what kind of puppy or dog it is. And from what I read you got rude 1st. The lady ask you if you wanted a puppy all you had to say is no. but you did not, you got rude, I got have told you to F- off too. You know I look at it this way, people that breed mixed breeds is not doing it right but you have to go back and know that, that is how we got the breeds we have today. They line breeded and made up this breeds, they was not just put on earth, they was put together by people. I still am not says all it right but two wrongs don't make a right. And it is not your place to tell another person in the USA what to do or how to do it. That is what freedom is. And if people want to send their money on a mix breeded puppy you can't say anything to them, it is their money!!!!!! And if that puppy is going to get to go with them to work, that is better than one being left at home all day by it's self. Please stop judging people, with out knowing both sides to the story.

Zanadu'sMom
05-17-2009, 08:00 AM
when I read this I can just think their is 2 sides to every story. Know one knows for sure that they planned that breeding or not. And with some vet prices they could not just give the puppies away. $400 is alot but there is people on this site that is selling puppy for $5000 to $15000 to me that is to much no matter what kind of puppy or dog it is. And from what I read you got rude 1st. The lady ask you if you wanted a puppy all you had to say is no. but you did not, you got rude, I got have told you to F- off too. You know I look at it this way, people that breed mixed breeds is not doing it right but you have to go back and know that, that is how we got the breeds we have today. They line breeded and made up this breeds, they was not just put on earth, they was put together by people. I still am not says all it right but two wrongs don't make a right. And it is not your place to tell another person in the USA what to do or how to do it. That is what freedom is. And if people want to send their money on a mix breeded puppy you can't say anything to them, it is their money!!!!!! And if that puppy is going to get to go with them to work, that is better than one being left at home all day by it's self. Please stop judging people, with out knowing both sides to the story.
Are you for real???????????:confused:
They were selling them out of a box :confused: Nobody is talking about mix breeds :confused: she is not in the USA, she is in Australia!
And yes if you are not breeding to better the breed and ensure healthy pups then you are a BYB, a greeder, a puppy-miller, and a moron.
If you can sit here and type that there is nothing wrong with these people AND what they are doing then something is wrong with you :D

JesBred
05-17-2009, 08:19 AM
when I read this I can just think their is 2 sides to every story. Know one knows for sure that they planned that breeding or not. And with some vet prices they could not just give the puppies away. $400 is alot but there is people on this site that is selling puppy for $5000 to $15000 to me that is to much no matter what kind of puppy or dog it is. And from what I read you got rude 1st. The lady ask you if you wanted a puppy all you had to say is no. but you did not, you got rude, I got have told you to F- off too. You know I look at it this way, people that breed mixed breeds is not doing it right but you have to go back and know that, that is how we got the breeds we have today. They line breeded and made up this breeds, they was not just put on earth, they was put together by people. I still am not says all it right but two wrongs don't make a right. And it is not your place to tell another person in the USA what to do or how to do it. That is what freedom is. And if people want to send their money on a mix breeded puppy you can't say anything to them, it is their money!!!!!! And if that puppy is going to get to go with them to work, that is better than one being left at home all day by it's self. Please stop judging people, with out knowing both sides to the story.

If the breeding was in fact "unplanned" that is neglegent on the owners part for not having their pets nuetered/spayed, so they should still have got a talking to in my opinion

Thats why we have so many animals in shelters and living on streets

Morkie4
05-17-2009, 10:19 AM
when I read this I can just think their is 2 sides to every story. Know one knows for sure that they planned that breeding or not. And with some vet prices they could not just give the puppies away. $400 is alot but there is people on this site that is selling puppy for $5000 to $15000 to me that is to much no matter what kind of puppy or dog it is. And from what I read you got rude 1st. The lady ask you if you wanted a puppy all you had to say is no. but you did not, you got rude, I got have told you to F- off too. You know I look at it this way, people that breed mixed breeds is not doing it right but you have to go back and know that, that is how we got the breeds we have today. They line breeded and made up this breeds, they was not just put on earth, they was put together by people. I still am not says all it right but two wrongs don't make a right. And it is not your place to tell another person in the USA what to do or how to do it. That is what freedom is. And if people want to send their money on a mix breeded puppy you can't say anything to them, it is their money!!!!!! And if that puppy is going to get to go with them to work, that is better than one being left at home all day by it's self. Please stop judging people, with out knowing both sides to the story.

Well, having "three" maltese rescues, I feel a bit qualified to say that I do not support "out of a box" puppy selling........regardless if it was an accident or on purpose. And I certainly would not buy from someone standing on the street with a box of puppies that did not have medical documents to show the background "health" of a dog especially at $400........a bit outrageous to me. I think the $5000 to $15000 price is bit outrageous as well and would not buy from that person either. But I personally would not have said anything to the people because it usually does no good to say anything to them as they usually do not listen.

My experience at a flea market drove me to the point of tears as I watched this woman unload six different breeds of puppies into an x-pen she had set up full of puppies from the back of her van.......last count before I had to walk away, was 17 puppies in the pen. It was quite obvious to me that she was a puppymill or byb and I cannot and will not support those type of sales.

As long as there are people buying their dogs, they will breed and the cycle will never end.........I would love to see an end put to the breeding of dogs in mass at puppymillls and byb and the best way for me to do that is do educate myself and others to BEWARE of such people selling several breeds at one time or puppies out of a box.

zeek's mom
05-17-2009, 10:29 AM
when I read this I can just think their is 2 sides to every story. Know one knows for sure that they planned that breeding or not. And with some vet prices they could not just give the puppies away. $400 is alot but there is people on this site that is selling puppy for $5000 to $15000 to me that is to much no matter what kind of puppy or dog it is. And from what I read you got rude 1st. The lady ask you if you wanted a puppy all you had to say is no. but you did not, you got rude, I got have told you to F- off too. You know I look at it this way, people that breed mixed breeds is not doing it right but you have to go back and know that, that is how we got the breeds we have today. They line breeded and made up this breeds, they was not just put on earth, they was put together by people. I still am not says all it right but two wrongs don't make a right. And it is not your place to tell another person in the USA what to do or how to do it. That is what freedom is. And if people want to send their money on a mix breeded puppy you can't say anything to them, it is their money!!!!!! And if that puppy is going to get to go with them to work, that is better than one being left at home all day by it's self. Please stop judging people, with out knowing both sides to the story.


Please tell me that you are not serious with this post Julie!!

Who are you saying is selling their puppies for $5000-$15000 on this board. It dang sure is not me!! And lets see....Stacey ? nope not her.....Cathy ? nope not her....and I can not think of anyone else on this site that is a breeder right at the top of my head.

So please before you start making wild accusations about other breeders get your facts straight.

And another fact that you have wrong, Bek the OP does NOT live in the USA!!! You have really just stepped on a lot of toes. Including mine!!

mia's mom
05-17-2009, 11:49 AM
when I read this I can just think their is 2 sides to every story. Know one knows for sure that they planned that breeding or not. Planned or not planned they should have taken the precautions necessary to avoid an ooppss pregnancy. Shame on them if it was planned. And with some vet prices they could not just give the puppies away. If you can't afford a vet you can't afford a dog. There are low cost spay/neuter every where. $400 is alot but there is people on this site that is selling puppy for $5000 to $15000 to me that is to much no matter what kind of puppy or dog it is.I don't know about those prices maybe for a CH that is being sold out of the country like my Bella's grand sire I believe was sold for $10,000 to a show breeder out of the country. I haven't heard of a pet quality pup being sold for anything near that price. And from what I read you got rude 1st. The lady ask you if you wanted a puppy all you had to say is no. I think Bek held restraint with or without my child with me I would have given her a lecture. I never hesitate to educate and inform ignorant people. but you did not, you got rude, I got have told you to F- off too. You know I look at it this way, people that breed mixed breeds is not doing it right but you have to go back and know that, that is how we got the breeds we have today. Yes this is true and they are even thinking of making a Labradoodle a "breed" now. It's the people who breed without any knowledge of what they are doing and the genetic background of the breed and their dogs. They line breeded and made up this breeds, they was not just put on earth, they was put together by people. I still am not says all it right but two wrongs don't make a right. And it is not your place to tell another person in the USA what to do or how to do it. She is from AU but it doesn't matter it is freedom of speech and if she can educate then kudos to her. That is what freedom is. And if people want to send their money on a mix breeded puppy you can't say anything to them, it is their money!!!!!! Yes you can educate people as to the pit falls they are getting into. I just educated my cousin's friend that was looking for a female Maltese puppy for under $500.And if that puppy is going to get to go with them to work, that is better than one being left at home all day by it's self. Please stop judging people, without knowing both sides to the story.
I don't think Bek was in the wrong and showed self restraint as she herself had heartbreak when her little girl passed away. So unless you have the full side of the story you shouldn't be so judgmental. It seems that most of your post on the forum have been to stir up controversy there are nice ways to express your feelings and thoughts and there are rude ways to do it.

Eklectic
05-17-2009, 12:44 PM
I don't think Bek was in the wrong and showed self restraint as she herself had heartbreak when her little girl passed away. So unless you have the full side of the story you shouldn't be so judgmental. It seems that most of your post on the forum have been to stir up controversy there are nice ways to express your feelings and thoughts and there are rude ways to do it.
Bek showed a lot more restraint than I have in the past and I do admire her for that!

I have 2 rescues, not Maltese, and as well we have people dropping unwanted dogs and cats around here all the time!! I have to "catch" them and bring them to a shelter!! Not much fun doing that!

I have not had that much restrain when I met people selling puppies at the flea market!

So Bek, kudos to you both for your attitude and the way you are raising your kids!!

Zanadu'sMom
05-17-2009, 01:03 PM
Please tell me that you are not serious with this post Julie!!

Who are you saying is selling their puppies for $5000-$15000 on this board. It dang sure is not me!! And lets see....Stacey ? nope not her.....Cathy ? nope not her....and I can not think of anyone else on this site that is a breeder right at the top of my head.

So please before you start making wild accusations about other breeders get your facts straight.

And another fact that you have wrong, Bek the OP does NOT live in the USA!!! You have really just stepped on a lot of toes. Including mine!!

You know what Becky if you wanted to sell your pup for 500 or 5000 that is your business and your right. Price has nothing to do with the original post. the person you quoted just threw that in there, why, i don't know.

bek74
05-17-2009, 01:26 PM
when I read this I can just think their is 2 sides to every story. Know one knows for sure that they planned that breeding or not. And with some vet prices they could not just give the puppies away. $400 is alot but there is people on this site that is selling puppy for $5000 to $15000 to me that is to much no matter what kind of puppy or dog it is. And from what I read you got rude 1st. The lady ask you if you wanted a puppy all you had to say is no. but you did not, you got rude, I got have told you to F- off too. You know I look at it this way, people that breed mixed breeds is not doing it right but you have to go back and know that, that is how we got the breeds we have today. They line breeded and made up this breeds, they was not just put on earth, they was put together by people. I still am not says all it right but two wrongs don't make a right. And it is not your place to tell another person in the USA what to do or how to do it. That is what freedom is. And if people want to send their money on a mix breeded puppy you can't say anything to them, it is their money!!!!!! And if that puppy is going to get to go with them to work, that is better than one being left at home all day by it's self. Please stop judging people, with out knowing both sides to the story.



If you call this comment rude then you have something wrong with you. It is the honest to god truth, I should know it happened to my family.

I said really " how will children cope when the puppy gets older and develops health issues and it has to put to sleep because idiots like you breed just to make a quick buck?"

Even if the litter wasn't planned, you don't stand outside a shopping center with SIX WEEK old puppies in a cardboard box selling them off for $400.
The pups had, had no needles, nothing. For Godsake the pups were only SIX WEEKS old with near no teeth. I don't know what kind of demented world your brain is living in, but accident or planned selling babies off at 6wks from a cardboard box is disgusting.
As to the bloke that brought one of the puppies, I know him and his girlfriend well so I know how they behave and you tell me how taking a 6wk old puppy with no shots or anything is a good idea to take out and allowed to go potty on the side of the road, the dog could get PARVO, so you tell me how that is responsible. The girlfriend already has a dog that she doesn't look after and has dumped on her parents, her parents said NO to this one so she got the boyfriend to buy her. He admitted to not wanting the dog he did it for her.

I ask myself why are you even a member here???? you never have anything constructive to add and have made it clear by your ridiculars comments and total disregard to the well being of our furbabies.. You only post to stir up controversy or to sell off your puppies, no wonder you find nothing wrong with what these people are doing, you can relate to them...

bek74
05-17-2009, 01:37 PM
, I got have told you to F- off too.


If only I was blessed to have you face to face as you said it......

You may end up in a cardboard box with no teeth as well, Then you would have more in common with these people..

Zanadu'sMom
05-17-2009, 01:38 PM
If only I was blessed to have you face to face as you said it......

You may end up in a cardboard box with no teeth as well, Then you would have more in common with these people..

:sidesplit::sidesplit::sidesplit::sidesplit: Oh Good Lord, help me
My under-roos are wet again :fainted:

Morkie4
05-17-2009, 01:53 PM
Well, once again, everyone has had their say and some with cursing and name calling which I am not particularly fond of and feel there is no need to be that way with the maturity of the members.........whether we agree or disagree, we can do it in a mature and proper way without the name calling and "attitude."

As I have said in the past, if you have issues and want to go at each other, then by all means "do so." BUT not on the forum.......do it via your emails or pms and should they get carried away to the point of reaching Admin with complaints about the uncivil conduct, speech, etc. of a member, I am sure Admin has their way of dealing with such things.

Thanks for all the posts.........this thread is being closed.